billy2shots Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Had my Boat approaching 2 years now and the inevitable happened on Sunday. Fishing the Patch and was well and truly dug in and had to cut the rode. Any recomodations on where to pick up a 6 or 7.5kg Bruce with 8-10m of chain? I get a fair bit from Force 4 but it's not the cheapest place in the world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 Try Quay West chandlers at Parkstone Yacht Club They stock the imitation Bruce billy2shots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman1055 Posted June 28, 2018 Report Share Posted June 28, 2018 A Delta is also worth considering. A more pointed anchor to dig in, seems more effective than the Bruce pattern. Always use chain greater than the length of the boat. Tony billy2shots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 I dissagree on the length of chain thing Tony, i feel it is more about the weight of the chain. 20ft of 8mm weighs c.8.4kg and 20ft of 12mm is c.20.4kg. So i think balance the weight of chain to anchor is needed, so 5kg anchor with 7.5kg chain is spot on for lifting with alderney ring. R Steve S and Stuie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 But that is not the main job of the chain Rob. The main job is to weight the shank of the anchor so the angle between the anchor and the boat is shallower therbye assisting the anchor to get a grip. The bigger the boat you have the more important this is. A Longer/heavier piece of chain also helps reduce snatch. The secondary job is to act as a counterbalance in the Alderney set up. Leicester Fisheagle, Stuie, 2006holmwood and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Thomas Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 PBSBAC should write a booklet on the pros and cons of anchoring, this our most discussed subject, every year it comes up. Especially when you have just lost your trusty anchor. Perhaps we could have a refer to page on the site for FAQ and answers, it would make great reading as well as constructive information for our new members. Having had both types of anchors, I prefer the delta type on the ground I anchor on mostly. The key to most stuck anchor retrievals is to make sure you connect your chain to the base of the anchor and cable tie or trip the chain to come loose under strain to the shank eyelet. If you do not trip your anchor you chances of recovery will be reduced. Also when anchoring over rocky ground, lift your anchor at the slack tide, have a drift for twenty minutes the re anchor your mark, this reduces the chance of the chain becoming entangled a round the rocks which is the worst way to get stuck in. Steve H, 2006holmwood, Steve S and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPD Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 If using a windlass, when ordering chain &rope the gypsy guide must be used. Maverick Martin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billy2shots Posted June 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 2 minutes ago, DPD said: If using a windlass, when ordering chain &rope the gypsy guide must be used. Took the windlass apart and found the gypsy size. Boat is 8m. Bought 10m of 8mm galvanised chain. 7.5kg Bruce pattern anchor. I will attach to my 80m rope rode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Thomas Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Billy for a 8mtr boat I would definitely have gone 10kg, i have a 10kg on my 6.95mtr. They will exchange if you change your mind. It will probably be ok in shallow inshore depths but not for 100ft off shore anchoring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarlach. Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Billy for a 8mtr boat I would definitely have gone 10kg, i have a 10kg on my 6.95mtr. They will exchange if you change your mind. It will probably be ok in shallow inshore depths but not for 100ft off shore anchoring.I think your over egging your anchor Mal. My 6.6m uses a 5kg Bruce, 15m 6mm chain. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 But that is not the main job of the chain Rob. The main job is to weight the shank of the anchor so the angle between the anchor and the boat is shallower therbye assisting the anchor to get a grip. The bigger the boat you have the more important this is. A Longer/heavier piece of chain also helps reduce snatch. The secondary job is to act as a counterbalance in the Alderney set up.Indeed Martin, but length needs to consider thickness, thus weight. 30ft of 8mm is very different to 30ft of 12mm.R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Billy for a 8mtr boat I would definitely have gone 10kg, i have a 10kg on my 6.95mtr. They will exchange if you change your mind. It will probably be ok in shallow inshore depths but not for 100ft off shore anchoring.JV has gone down from 10 to 7.5kg, she is a big 9.5mtrs.R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Thomas Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 29 minutes ago, Tarlach. said: I think your over egging your anchor Mal. My 6.6m uses a 5kg Bruce, 15m 6mm chain. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mal Thomas Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 Just now, Mal Thomas said: Neil your 15mtr of chain is off setting your light anchor, a 7.5 kg anchor would give you a better set in deeper locations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mw Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 he has only 80m of rode so not going to go to deep we should have a cup for the most lost anchors in a year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve S Posted June 29, 2018 Report Share Posted June 29, 2018 I would always err on the heavy side with anchors, most places you put the hook in are fine then go to one spot and the anchor drags, a bigger anchor helps plus a good length of chain 1.5 x boat length is a good guide. Then loads of rode, when the anchor doesn't want to hold 5 x depth is often needed particularly when there are a few waves around creating some snatch. Your setup sounds fine except I would want a longer rode, there are a lot of 30m marks round here so that would mean 150m. I think up to a 10kg anchor is quite managable on the Alderney ring, any heavier and it gets very hard work to lift over the side with the chain, for me anyway. On my 10m boat I use 15kg anchor, 16m of 8mm chain, 200m of rode. Very happy with that setup except would like another 60m of rode for some mid channel anchoring spots. I use a windlass with an Alderney ring as a backup. The idea of an anchoring guide sounds good. Fisherman's requirements for anchoring round here are far from typical with our depth of water and speed of tides. Non boat anglers have no clue what is needed for anchoring in 30m of water in 2 knots of tide. Maverick Martin 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Hi all as always a lot of variety when this topic comes up Over the past couple of years we have changed our go to anchor rig I carry two in soft buckets in the hold 15kg Bruce and 10metres of 10mm chain 10kg Bruce and 15 or more metres of 8mm chain either of these can be attached via a stainless bow shackle to the full coil [220m] of 12mm three ply rope. The anchor is always rigged to trip with three large cable ties. [ needed twice last weekend ] I still use an Alderney ring and big buff to lift the kit, nowadays we use a large side deck capstan to recover the warp. [getting a bit older now] The boys still prefer to hand haul it as it is definitely faster. before taking the piss about the capstan Rob, I lifted the anchor about 10 times last weekend, several time in 35 metres plus of water. Main point of this thread is that over the last couple of years I now tend to use the lighter set up with the longer chain most of the time even mid channel. It seems to hold OK and is easier to handle in use and when stowing back into the hold. If/when I lose one of these sets I would replace the Bruce with a Delta as others say they dig in better Charlie Steve S 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerry.shutter Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 All interesting stuff, just wish I had a boat to put an anchor on😩😩😩😩😩 Maverick Martin and Jim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted June 30, 2018 Report Share Posted June 30, 2018 Madness is 8.7 metres at over 5.5 tons and has a 10kg Delta look alike with about 12 metres of 8mm chain with 220 metres of rode which works well for us Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fox Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 The anchoring skills learned through the club are invaluable, and make a huge difference both to catch rates and safety. We anchored today between two tongues of rock in a small Bay to the west of the Ile D'Aix. The ground is generally smooth but with outcrops of rock. Rather than risk our main anchor for a lunch stop, the fishing anchor was deployed. Our 10kg Bruce clone is tiny for our 11 tons or so, but it will hold. Crucially, it's rigged to trip, and if snagged, it should come back. We know someone without this experience, and lost a 33kg Rocna anchor and chain, after a bad snag. Steve S and Jim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarlach. Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 Neil your 15mtr of chain is off setting your light anchor, a 7.5 kg anchor would give you a better set in deeper locations.Mal, I bow to your superiority and apologise unreservedly. I have double checked my anchor and blow me if it’s not a 7.5kg Bruce !! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Mal Thomas and Jim 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve S Posted July 1, 2018 Report Share Posted July 1, 2018 You make an interesting point Mike. These 'super' anchors like the Rocna, can really dig in a soft bed fantastically well according to their ratings however they can be hard to get out again I have been told, I would not want to use one on the various ground we anchor in, they are expensive! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffa Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 Quote You make an interesting point Mike. These 'super' anchors like the Rocna, can really dig in a soft bed fantastically well according to their ratings however they can be hard to get out again I have been told, I would not want to use one on the various ground we anchor in, they are expensive! Totally agree Steve I lost a Manson Supreme(Cheaper Rocna Clone but still expensive ) on the patch because I couldn't dig it out even with the shackle in the sliding slot . Bought a replacement Manson Supreme 7.5kg but rigged it to trip from the front (looks quite messy with chain flopping all over the place).These Anchors set fast and really dig in but don't like letting go. I now keep it as a secondary anchor having replaced it with a 5kg "Original" Bruce claw anchor which is much easier to handle and easier to rig to trip. I am trying out the "anchor trip links" via a caribiner so I dont have to reset once tripped but haven't had chance to use in anger yet. https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Anchor-Trip-Link-for-craft-up-to-around-20ft-6mtr/173273957141?epid=2257469794&hash=item2857eec315:g:-DoAAOSwnxFZw-Go Reports seem to indicate that the original bruce anchors perform better than the clones however they are no longer manufactured and have to be sourced second hand Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neal Posted July 2, 2018 Report Share Posted July 2, 2018 A number of people have lost anchors in the Poole patch area (me included! - a long time ago) It is much safer to anchor away from the rocks and let out anchor warp and let the tide take you over the rocks. Many different species inhabit the rocks and also the area surrounding them - so it is not necessary to drop your anchor right on top of them. Mal Thomas and Maverick Martin 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charlieannear Posted July 5, 2018 Report Share Posted July 5, 2018 Many different species inhabit the rocks and also the area surrounding them - so it is not necessary to drop your anchor right on top of them. And, once the regs are agreed, dropping your anchor into the rocks could actually get you in trouble for damaging the features of the MCZ (But only if the MMO empowers someone to enforce that aspect of the regs, because the IFCAs can only police fishing, not anchoring...) To get back on topic, we uprated to a 7.5kg Bruce-clone rigged to trip on 25 foot of 8mm (might even be 10mm) chain on the Shetland as the 5kg dragged a couple of times off Ballard... Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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