gjb Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 With rod rings getting smaller the knot size between braid and mono seems to be getting a problem so i purchased some tapered leaders they go from 16lb to 60lb i then cut off about 4 feet of the 16lb end and tied them together and this seems to have worked a much smaller knot and less problem reeling in has any one had a go with this for there boat setups Cheers graham Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sea Warrior Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hi Graham, Do not know what braid knot your using but even with 60lb leader my knots are tiny! Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisE Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 Hmm, we use 80lb leaders and a J knot and have no probs with knots going through rings. Not sure what the problem is .... Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 HI Graham the rings on my Salford braid are tiny had an issue with this at first solution is leave the culinary enclosing so.it flexes or use a small length of shrink tube to cover the knot and ends to ale smooth. best knot is Albright regards peter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Posted January 9, 2013 Report Share Posted January 9, 2013 HI Graham the rings on my Salford braid are tiny had an issue with this at first solution is leave the culinary enclosing so.it flexes or use a small length of shrink tube to cover the knot and ends to ale smooth. best knot is Albright regards peter But using a lighter to shrink rig tubing over the knot aint a good idea is it Dad? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Just cut down the length of leader to a metre or so then knot doesn't need to go through the eyes when fishing and there is less drag in deep water Nige Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 With heavy leaders you can use a lighter to melt it in to a blob at the end and then tie a whipping / knot less knot around the leader and slide up to the blob. It is how beach casting guys attach their 15lb line to 80lb shock leader: http://www.ultimauk.com/sea/knots/Blob.php Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Nige- that is great when there is loads of weed and it stops it getting to the top eye, but I like the security of having some heavy line with a few wraps round the spool with a big fish at the side if the boat! Rob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 (edited) But Rob you don't catch big fish and you defiantly don't use 50lb leader for youre Bass Edited January 10, 2013 by niggle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Way back when I did more shore angling we used tapered leaders and they worksed great, especially if you trimmed the ends to match the line thickness as you are doing. For boat fishing I just use normal mono, 60lb for the heavy fishing and 30 0r 40 on the lighter tackle and drift fishing. We lose a fair bit of gear over the wrecks so we carry 4oz spools of leader lines. I used to tie the knotless knot, but it let me down a few times, especially if tied onboard quickly. We have now changed to a double grinner knot. Last weekend was the first time I had a problem with line breaking at this knot, but the leader had not been changed for several trips so may have just been weakened by constant use. Trimming the ends very tight to the fully tightened knot seems to prevent it snagging the tip ring to much, unless there is weed about. Like Rob I prefer to have the knot on the reel spool when a big fish is alongside the boat. especially as we nearly always are only using 30lb braid Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 But Rob you don't catch big fish and you defiantly don't use 50lb leader for youre Bass You're right Nige - I like the tiddlers! I am just recalling my catches from a couple of year ago: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niggle Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Rob wish I could get the fish to bite as quick as you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Rob wish I could get the fish to bite as quick as you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Rob wish I could get the fish to bite as quick as you No fish out there bite that easily mate. Nice picture Rob have you any on your boat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Only the Ray thanks Skipper! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan F (bathclaret) Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Interesting Rob, I hadn't come across the blob knot before, always use an Albright with the braid doubled. Had a look at your link and, if I read correctly, it says the blob knot is only for mono lines. Clearly the leader blob needs to be mono, but have you used this ok with a braid running line? Duncan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Interesting Rob, I hadn't come across the blob knot before, always use an Albright with the braid doubled. Had a look at your link and, if I read correctly, it says the blob knot is only for mono lines. Clearly the leader blob needs to be mono, but have you used this ok with a braid running line? Duncan No, waiting for you to try it first! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duncan F (bathclaret) Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 No, waiting for you to try it first! 'nuff said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Duncan It would work if you used a 10 turn Grinner on the braid around the mono. and then slide the knot down to the blob just before fully tightening. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted January 10, 2013 Report Share Posted January 10, 2013 Sounds like an at home test is in order! 60lb mono to 30lb braid and PULLLLLLLLLLLL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrisE Posted January 11, 2013 Report Share Posted January 11, 2013 Hmm, we use 80lb leaders and a J knot and have no probs with knots going through rings. Not sure what the problem is .... Chris We've been using the J knot, as described on the webknots page, for past few years and only had failures when using light (under 30lb) leaders to 20lb braid. For the usual 30lb braid to 60+ leader it just works and is a neat knot. Hope this helps Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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