boybilly Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 A thought suddenly hit me this evening while assisting/ fishing with my son in the junior league, regarding Adams comments on conger fishing yesterday. 150 lb traces for fishing. I realise that conger have tremendous biting power but even very light wire ( Comparitively speaking ) is impervious to all but the biggest eels. 30-50 should be able to subdue most eels. Some of you chaps are probably not old enough to remember a programme called OUT OF TOWN with Jack Hargreaves but I vividly remember a certain one regarding light tackle. Dont forget we are talking 35 years ago so envisage the tackle used. He rigged a 10lb class outfit together with a fixed spool reel and went to the local swimming baths. His aim was to show just how much pressure one could use to subdue the biggest fish on light tackle. He tied the 10lb line to the belt of a fully suited diver and challenged him to swim to the other end of a 50 mtr(yard) pool. Not a chance of the diver making it. I know that fish are more adapted to life in the water(Obviously) but it opened my eyes to the possibilities with balanced light line tackle. What I am getting at is that even with a rod bent double it is suprising how little strain you are putting on the outfit. If you think that braid manufacturers recommend 1/3 of the breaking strain as drag pressure yet you can still halt a big fish. With todays technology it wont be long before the perfect trace line/wire is on the market, wafer thin and super strong, presentation is foremost. Am I waffling on here? but it is a subject for conjecture. BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Used to luv watching Jacks' series. Missed the one about light lines in a swimming pool, though. Gunna give the Pick wire a go. Cheers BB Bob F. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted November 1, 2004 Report Share Posted November 1, 2004 Hi all I use 9" of single strand stainless wire[about 60 lb test] to 4ft 60lb test mono on my tope traces with Virivas 6/0 Big Mouth extra hooks. The nylon is only that thick to combat their abrasive skin if they get wrapped up. A charter skipper showed me these many years ago and his thoughts were that the wire went between their teeth so was very hard to bite through. I have had one or two get through the nylon but none through the wire. and we used to get a lot of 30lb + fish. I also use these for conger and have never lost one to an open water fish, lost a few to wrecks and Dorset though. Charlie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 I am sure the answer is a new pike wire to the market. This stuff is made from the same technology used to make braid, but instead of using braid fibres, ultra fine s/s wire is used - the result? I mega flexable, easily knotted s/s wire/braid combo. I was given 5mtrs as a sample a few months ago, and am just coming to the end of the spool. It really is amazing stuff. A simple blood knot is all that is needed, and the presentation is as good as 30lb nylon. It is not so thin that it acts like cheesewire on the fishes mouth, but fine enough to offer good presentation. On sunday I kept hooking eels on my whiting rod, so I changed to the wire and kept the small hooks, kept catching whiting, but didnt get biten off by the eels. Anyone wants any let me know. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Adam, I'd like to try some, please. The fish are gunna enjoy this new dental floss!! Bob F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boybilly Posted November 2, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Yes please Adam, Let me know the details and your address and I will post you the pennies mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Ok Ill wait a few days and get a few orders together then Ill go get it. Ill pm you when I have it for your addresses. any other takers? Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted November 2, 2004 Report Share Posted November 2, 2004 Yes please Adam, Helen is itching to catch a conger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted November 3, 2004 Report Share Posted November 3, 2004 Yes please Adam, I'll try some. Thanks, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamouse Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Hi Adam, I'd be grateful if you could pick me a spool up as well. Never been bitten off yet on 150lb mono but I hate the thickness of the stuff. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Been into the shop today and ordered it - as a way of a small plug it came from Bournemouth Fishing Lodge. I used it all day yesterday with a 6/0 circle. Incidently I hooked loads more fish on this rod - and not too many doggies. Unless the fish really takes the bait proper and therefore gets the hook inside him, he dont get hooked - therefore nusiance fish that play around with the bait dotn get hooked. One thing though - you MUST use a grinner with it, doesnt go well with a blood not. Should be here next few days. Adam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boybilly Posted November 4, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 Adam, Good to hear you had a decent day out. What make of cicle do you use? I have found the Mustad are very heavy in the wire. Try owner as they are very good. Good point about the Grinner Knot as it allows the hook to swivel but a better knot is to whip the hook down the shank. Once tied slide a short length of shrink tube over the knot and presto, nice and neat. The shrink tube also acts as a half decent biter, not that you need it with circles. The Streamer Hooks from UK are excellant also, the longer shank really helps bait presentation. Regards, BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 4, 2004 Report Share Posted November 4, 2004 I use the Std circles from Mike at UK Hooks, I got a 100 mixed starter pack. Although as you said I do find them fairly heavy in the wire and quite dear too. I do use a grinner, although have just started to crimp them and leave a loop. In my carp fishing days we used a ring called a 'hinge rig' it used a bent hook (similar to a circle) and the loop which held the hook and allowed it to move feely and exagerated the 'self hooking' principle of the circle hook. Was in my local tackle shop today and he has just got some Mustard fine wire circles in stock - cheap as chips at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Right - The wire is in, I only got 4 spools though, I will have some more at a later date. It isnt cheap, at Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boybilly Posted November 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 One for me please Adam, 25k if any left. If not then 12.5, Regards, BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'll have the other 25kg, please Adam. I'll put a cheque in the post to cover the Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob F Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 I'll have on of the dregs, then. cheers BF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Right, Billy and Alan - 25kg Bob & Paul - 12.5kg Lookfar - Ill let you have the 1st of the next batch. Ill pick them up in the next few days and post them off to you all. I have your addresses from the new member listing. Dont worry about the P+P...just Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul D Posted November 16, 2004 Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Adam, I can wait until the November open if you like or pop around to collect sometime. cheers Paul Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boybilly Posted November 16, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2004 Great stuff Adam, Wait till comp day if you like mate. BB PS Unless you are coming for a squid session. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
domino Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Adam, I can wait till the 28th as well... unless you have already posted it?? Cheers, Alan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamouse Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Lookfar - Ill let you have the 1st of the next batch. That's great, appreciate you sorting it. I'll go for the 12.5kg if there's a choice (and you think it'll cope with tope teeth). Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 18, 2004 Report Share Posted November 18, 2004 Ok Ill bring it all on the 28th... In the meantime Ill get a 25kg for Steve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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