Brian Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 Just a heads up, twin sails is up all weekend, sounds like a bearing has gone. Repairs start Monday. Jim and Mal Thomas 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 My word, who built this? The surf reef company?R gaffa and Jim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 It was making a real grinding sound when it was being lifted Yesterday Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffa Posted November 17, 2018 Report Share Posted November 17, 2018 I'm afraid we will never regain the reliability and longevity of the engineering of the Victorian age (there were a few exceptions I admit) when it seems that projects based on tendering to achieve the lowest price and quickest delivery win the day. I am sad to say that in my experience many Companies that win these projects have no idea of what they are getting into as they are basically shell companies reliant upon a previous old school reputation and now have minimal resources so that once they win the job then panic sets in and they try to recruit "staff" to complete it relying on managing the contract to save or make even money . The Victorians generally provided a realistic fixed price for the job and selection was based on the preferred design solution The quality of the available mechanical/electrical equipment available in today's throw away society is price driven and is selected to meet the warranty period which is generally 13 months from customer takeover by which time it has served its purpose and is generally worn out and gets replaced by the customer (or left to rot) with an identical 2 year lifespan unit and so the cycle continues. Granted the Victorian engineers way over designed their projects but they were also maintainable unlike those of today as the necessary skill sets have been purposely removed from the marketplace by the Government sacrificing the Manufacturing for the Financial markets. If the bearing set needs replacing on the twin sails bridge I suspect that it will be replaced with exactly the same type that has failed. There will be no money available or interest it getting the fault properly analysed and an improved design implemented . It will come back to bite them mark my words Just my three penne'th😎 jerry.shutter, Neal, Maverick Martin and 6 others 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 18, 2018 Report Share Posted November 18, 2018 Aboso Posi Lutely ! I completely agree. I don't claim to be a top engineer but it seems that BUL****T is king nowadays. Brian, sparky and gaffa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Everyone must know that we should have gone for a higher bridge that ; 1. Does not open/close 2. Does not therefore fail open or closed, bringing traffic to a stop. 3 Does not cost a fortune in maintenance over its lifetime 4 Does not need a team of 32 people and a dedicated VHF channel just to get it opening and closing to schedule. fisherman1055, Greg, Brian and 5 others 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Should have gone high enough over Holes Bay and joined the Holes Bay Road, would have kept all the lorries etc from the port out of Poole. fisherman1055 and Greg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffa Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 As I'm not "Local" I don't know the history of the bridge construction but I can see that construction had begun on an alternative design across the bay. The 90 degree dogleg access on the Hamworthy side shows a piece of road heading for the bay. When was the design changed to the twin sails route and other than being a shorter route why was it chosen (other than I assume those in charge assumed it would be cheaper because it was shorter) Surely they would have considered all issues before changing the route? Or am I not understanding the Poole Council mentality.😎 Jim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 I think it was under discussion for 30 years or so. They asked local people what they thought. I've never heard of any local people that said " another lifting bridge ? what a good idea! " gaffa and Greg 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 I spoke with the Mayor at the time. He had all the plans for a fixed span bridge, but was overruled because the rest wanted something for the Millenium. London had the O2, Portsmouth the Spinaker Tower and we got the Booby Prize. I've edited Bobby to read Booby. 😎 gaffa, Jim and Greg 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Don't bring the local Bobby into it Brian. That's a subject for another time!!!!!! Rob 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006holmwood Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 what`s a local bobby Jim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffa Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 Quote I spoke with the Mayor at the time. He had all the plans for a fixed span bridge, but was overruled because the rest wanted something for the Millenium. London had the O2, Portsmouth the Spinaker Tower and we got the Booby Prize. I've edited Bobby to read Booby. 😎 Thanks for the clarification Brian. I couldn't get my head around a viable alternative engineering solution to the original scheme. Now I understand viable engineering wasn't part of the decision making process it clarifies things Jim 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Posted November 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 The trouble is, the people who make the decisions are never held accountable. gaffa and Jim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DPD Posted November 19, 2018 Report Share Posted November 19, 2018 The initial scheme for harbour included the extension of the A31-the existing Dorset way , as it is known- across open country at Canford heath to Wimborne bypass. It would effectively become the Poole bridge link. This was all going on into 1997 when Labour got in. The new Parliamentary Under - Secretary of State for Environment ,Transport and the Regions (Ms Glenda Jackson) Ex film Star. The rest is History. gaffa and great white 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fisherman1055 Posted November 20, 2018 Report Share Posted November 20, 2018 On 11/19/2018 at 11:47 AM, great white said: Everyone must know that we should have gone for a higher bridge that ; 1. Does not open/close 2. Does not therefore fail open or closed, bringing traffic to a stop. 3 Does not cost a fortune in maintenance over its lifetime 4 Does not need a team of 32 people and a dedicated VHF channel just to get it opening and closing to schedule. Look Charlie, it is no good talking sense , no one will ever listen. Jim and gaffa 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
great white Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 9 hours ago, fisherman1055 said: Look Charlie, it is no good talking sense , no one will ever listen. Sorry Tony What was I thinking. Brian, Jim and gaffa 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Fox Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 I'd vote for a tunnel.... fisherman1055 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffa Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Quote I'd vote for a tunnel.... Seems to be a practical solution at first sight ...however ...with todays construction environment I guarantee it would end up as a high maintenance operation with plenty of closures. It would not be wide enough to take maintenace or emergency vehicles ,the ventilation and lighting systems would be unreliable or innadequate, and it would probably have a toll to cover maintenance costs(or budget overruns). Oh yeah ..it would probably LEAK. Why have I become so cynical in my old age .I wasn't like this in my youth? Brian, fisherman1055 and Jim 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2006holmwood Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Mike Fox said: I'd vote for a tunnel.... I don`t think your boat would go through a tunnel fisherman1055, gaffa, Jim and 1 other 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tarlach. Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Why have I become so cynical in my old age .I wasn't like this in my youth? Probably because when you were young you were more interested in booze and fast women !! Or was that just me .....? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk gaffa and Jim 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaffa Posted November 21, 2018 Report Share Posted November 21, 2018 Quote Probably because when you were young you were more interested in booze and fast women !! I do remember going tee total for about 5 years but never lost interest in the other Tarlach. and Jim 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 Twin sails bridge closed indefinitely.....https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-46318147 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 In open position I hope!R Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuie Posted November 23, 2018 Report Share Posted November 23, 2018 It was yesterday Rob... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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