toerag Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 ...where leg driven boats were turning back into Braye harbour in Alderney this August due to very nasty notherly wind over tide conditions three shaft drive boats headed home across the channel. I've just read the article in sea angler, one of my mates in Alderney said that the sea angler guys were over to do a boat test and it turned crappy. What weekend was that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 toerag. Tell me about keel band problems! I bought a Souter Mi 21, mit 130hp Volvo TD, late summer, and have been slowly putting things together. We have covered most issues by asking the wise ones from the club about areas I'm a little sketching on. (that's most things ). We noticed from the start that the keel band is a bit crumbly in places, and will need replacing with a proper job in time. What can you tell me about this issue please? Wedger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 What's it made of at the moment. How is it fixed to the hull. Can you use the same mounting method again? (ie Can you get to both heads and tails of the screw/bolt fixings. Without recourse to very expensive 'marine' chandlers there are two materials I have used with success in the past. #1/ Hot dip galvanised 'WaterBar' from builders merchants. Comes in up to 3M lengths about 1 1/4" wide and 3/16 thick. #2/ Stainless 316 bar in 5M X 3 or 4mm lengths available from Ferraris stainless steel stockists at Verwood Mad Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coddy Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Hi Wedger If you do a search on the forum there has been a number of threads on this subject. In fact I just looked and I said at the time I was going to fit one but still havn't got around to it. http://www.pbsbac.co.uk/forum/index.php?sh...36&hl=keel+band will do as a start. Coddy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBettle Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 ...where leg driven boats were turning back into Braye harbour in Alderney this August due to very nasty notherly wind over tide conditions three shaft drive boats headed home across the channel. I've just read the article in sea angler, one of my mates in Alderney said that the sea angler guys were over to do a boat test and it turned crappy. What weekend was that? Hi Toerag I was out there between 17th and 20th August. Reasonable fishing, but made tough in as much as we spent the whole time as camera boat whenever either of the other two boats caught fish. The fishing feature bit will be next month (so I am told) Tom Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adam F Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Trev, As Mike said - Ferraris on the Ferndown Ind. Est. are spot on - cheap as chips and will do any size you want - drilling the holes it another matter! Adam Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 How many threads are on this subject? I thought it was about boat bits and lately keels, how the heck do camera boats and the channel islands get in here? Mad Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Agent No. 9........ Chinese whispers Agent No. 107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 15, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Thanks for the advice one and all re. Which One (keel band) Chaps . We'll have a proper inspection and go from there. I suspect we will dip her for a month or so and fit a stainless band on the next 'haul out' T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 T, Aalco at Nursling supply marine grade stainless, although I dont know if they charge like wounded rhino's!!! 02380 875200 Test Lane, Nursling. Rich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Rich, Many thank for that one . I hadn't thought of them. Our farm (agricutural side) has an account with them, I'm sure. Cheers Chap. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seamouse Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Tom, Drilling 3mm 316 stainless isn't too bad. Slow drill speed, plenty of oil and keep the pressure steady. I did a DIY keel band on my 165, went through about five or six standard drill bits. Countersinking can be done, with care, simply using a very large HSS drill bit. Presuming that your boat has a substantial wooden keel immediately above the GRP, the plan is to drill the pilot hole through the GRP very slightly oversize so that the screw doesn't 'burst' the GRP and grips into the keel wood. Plenty of Sikaflex will ensure that nothing leaks but degrease with acetone or thinners first. The Warrior keel narrows down quite substantially and I had to profile part of the band with an angle grinder before fitting. Be careful if you need to do that too, stainless steel dust is not something you want to inhale. I notice on Coddy's archive thread, the inference was that my hull problems might have come from the keel band. Wasn't the case, it was the area of hull under and between the cradles that failed, manufacturing error. Warrior rebuilt the beast FOC to the heavier 175 spec and defied me to break it again. I'm still trying Steve Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Quote......Drilling 3mm 316 stainless isn't too bad. Slow drill speed, plenty of oil and keep the pressure steady. I did a DIY keel band on my 165, went through about five or six standard drill bits. Good advice. When you do the job invest in some top quality titanium (gold) plated HSS drill bits they are the Perros Cajones for drilling SS. Ditto a titanium coated countersink. Mad Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toerag Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 toerag. What can you tell me about this issue please? Wedger I've not had any problems with mine, nor do I know anyone that has, but it's one of the few places where you're drilling holes in the hull. I do know people that have had leaks via their keels, but that was on bigger boats that dry out and get bounced on the bottom everyday. Sorry if I scared you, but time spent doing things properly now will save time later. If the boat's been out of the water for some time and is dry then you're probably best to replace the keelband now, rather than after it's been in the water for 6months. Mine has a stainless band fitted with countersunk screws. It's not one piece, it's 3 I think. The front comes up to about 3 inches above the waterline, If I was fitting a new one I'd run it up as high as I could to the bow (yes I know the trailering eye gets in the way) as that's where you hit pontoons when berthing bow-on if you're not careful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 toerag, Point taken! When we have a good look, I'll go on the basis that we should replace unless this one is going to last for years. T Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newboy Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Agent No. 9........ Chinese whispers Agent No. 107 Don't blame me, I didn't whisper nothing..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Agent 51 107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Hi All, Joking aside ........... Thank you all for the good advice! We sorta count ourselves as practical people ...(Team Otter)....... BUT, without the benefit of personal experience and confidence, this type of stuff could be a very expensive 'learn-as-you-go exercise. Many thanks to one and all for sharing your knowledge and very broad experience. A great credit to Poole Bay Small Boat Angling Club, which I am certain we are all proud of. Thank you for having me aboard. T. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maverick Martin Posted November 16, 2005 Report Share Posted November 16, 2005 Ahh shucks wedgie, we don't know wether to or Good to know the club works thats what it's all about. Martin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swainiac Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Its amazing how many views some of these threads get...were well over the thousand on this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wedger Posted November 17, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Agent 43 Just between you & I No. 43 ,............................ I'm going for the record on this one Do ya think Mav. will issue a Medal ? Agent 107 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toerag Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Many thanks to one and all for sharing your knowledge and very broad experience. The great thing about this forum is that it's all like-minded individuals. I've learnt stuff on here, and I hope I've helped others in the short time I've been on here. There's not much on the net with regard to doing things to small boats, so this is a great resource. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 Quote... doing things to small boats Not only illegal in public but very painfull as well! Mad Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncan Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 you are clearly doing something wrong on both counts Mike! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afishionado Posted November 17, 2005 Report Share Posted November 17, 2005 I could try for a cheap laugh and say Me rollicks 'ave alus got me into trouble Yer 'onour............I could, but I wont. But if one thinks about it boats and ships do have their fair share of 'rude' sounding thingies...... Haws hole Futtock cringle tumble home (out on the hiss again?) rowlocks bunting (and we all know what that really means! ) cow hitch (as in reflections on marriage) And as for HM Ships, who would want to be a Number One let alone a Number Two. Mad Mike Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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